She is looking down to the left and appears to be shocked by what she sees. Im considering putting together a research team to visit Panama and further investigate the details of the case interviews, videos, mapping terrain, etc. I wish there were more answers to what happened. This case is certainly not finished. This would mean that this photo possibly shows the entrance to a cave leading inside the wall of rock behind it. Jalisco authorities have launched an investigation in connection with the enforced disappearance of four tourists. These are more unanswered questions that we may never know. That does not make sense if they were genuine. No chance. A serious accident.immediategetting lost just building panic. That could just be confirmation bias on my part. Fact. The simplest explanations are most likely to be the correct explanations. There is definitely a face on that the post/tree to the right of Kris. RIP sweet girls. I dont think so. I dissagree with her hand beeing tied. My question is: Who has the ability to manipulate both the cameras internal storage database and the photos? There is no traces of them anywhere. If they did, then Im wondering if the dog named Blue went with them or was allowed in the taxi. Also right inside the cave looks like a fox or something similar is painted on the rock. Almost like some picture had been there and this posted over or just strange, almost satanic looking things. Why would that be? It actually came as a surprise to us too, but our conclusion had to be that it was an accident. Yes theres a man to her left crouched down wearing beige/ beige/ brown. At dawn the rain stops and she sets out. It does look like a manmade structure. A tragedy and a mystery but in its core, this is only a horrible accident. I read that the dog returned to town in the evening, alone, but I havent seen it in any pictures. I realize that its more interesting to make things more ominous than they are but this is a very sad case of two naive girls who were totally unprepared for their adventure and very sadly got lost, injured and succumbed to nature. Those two women were wearing very little clothing to be entering bush/jungle, there is no way that theyd easily make their way through vegetation, and, as they were clearly intelligent, why would they voluntarily just walk into dense bush? Im just pointing out some peculiar things worth noting. Most travelers that have big experiences want to remember the small details of trips, because the trip represents an important memory in their life. Does anyone know where this photo was taken in relation to their happy photos taken at the top of the Continental divide? Sometimes I refer back to the Story of Kris Kremers and Lisanne Froon, the two girls that made international headlines in 2014 when they disappeared in the northwest region of Panama. 1. The black twigs can be seen growing up, as all vegetation/trees do to harness the sun, but the ones above her are clearly bent in a horizontal and parallel formation. Also I see a black pipe if you look carefully near one of the red and black objects the one that was circled. Do the additional photos reveal anything more? He has a whole series of You Tube videos (over 50) that were made that show that the pictures were manipulated and he names the suspect. I like the wit and sarcasm. Im always reviewing their case and looking for answers. I do believe that this appears to be some sort of structure though, it does seem like some vines / branches have been woven together to form some sort of hut and even the AI enhancement would not make the blue appear on the floor so distinctly, the color and look almost reminds me of a scrap of denim like material? It is possible for incompetence to work in conjunction with interests to protect key industries. Another important detail was disclosed to the public: Hctor Abrego was actively searching for the missing . IF there was a dog with them why then did they not photograph it? They decided to enter the jungle, but they failed to mark their entry point into the jungle with a stack of rocks or some such marking. If I remember correctly half of a pelvic bone was found that belong to the other girl so I think we should give the other girl some thought. They maintained a great deal of secrecy and privacy and never officially published any information. Check out David Paulidess accounts of people who go missing every day in state parks. Her phone is dead. It looks like something hand-made. Several of the relatives and friends of those visitors to the Quintana Roo who went missing formed a group named "Truth, Memory, and Justice" in an attempt to . Apart from the fact if she was photoshopped in this picture, i.m.o. Not lurking or following the girls or walking beside them; nothing. What is clear is that on that fateful day the girls went out for a short hike and never came back. I was looking at the photographs again and something caught my eye. & very very eerie all in all- I think youre absolutely right on its significance. They no longer had their phones or camera and made no emergency calls at all. Why IMG_0509 is missing, which could be a crucial piece of evidence, is an enigma. Easily done, I have done that myself several times. I wonder why the girls didnt do any text messages even if they never got through? Do you think this could be at all relevant? Dimedes Abrego - 12 years in prison. Its disturbing. Also, people do not give off a rosy glow from their backs, as can be seen here. I know that their camera and mobile phone photos have been analyzed a thousand times by various people online but I also know that many people arent able to enhance the brightness, contrast, exposure and saturation in a professional graphics program. And look at it from this point of view. https://koudekaas.blogspot.com/2019/12/the-disappearance-of-kris-kremers-and.html. Image 505 is actually the last image before the night photos. It was taken on the Continental Divide on April 1st, 2014 with the recorded time: 13:20:32. Chris, I hope you and a team go but I also understand, in the present age of uncertainty, if you dont. There are more answers out there that are still possible to gather. You need to be a Photoshop wizard of substantial level to even attempt this and it would take absolute ages. The illusion of her being tied and in distress is nothing more than that. if both then was the other found in their room? Over the years, dozens of tourists like Agarwal, many of them foreign nationals, have gone missing while visiting the Parvati Valley in the state of Himachal Pradesh. The Taxi driver was found dead later so no idea how much of this could be confirmed. Please read. The fact that one of the 112 called connected for 2 seconds and they did not redial it immediately, is also well dodgy. I think the left arm is visible behind her hanging down. Out of respect for the girls families, I think that comments like this, which I argue turn this case into some sort of entertaining Netflix series, should be removed. Packed up the bag, left it, and tried to walk out. Sixty percent of these deaths were documented on the border between Mexico and the United . Hay incongruencias en fechas y horas de los testigos y de los registros de los telfonos y la cmara, pero lo que ms me ha inquietado es la foto 506. Ive just watched a video on YouTube.. An unusual one.. A psychic reading actually.. https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-lMUOsoUME0Q/YLJzTuPRWbI/AAAAAAAAHDc/431BbuGq2PQEgxV65djGrwcBUCL5BEh8QCLcBGAsYHQ/s486/closeupkrs.jpg. A man and a woman. It is high noon and they have no way of telling which direction to go. The families of both Froonand Kremers also became concerned when they didn't get a usual check-in call. All of it couldve just gone away.? If someone had access to their phones, they might have deleted them. On one website, almost every user is convinced, that all the daylight pictures were photoshopped, even this one here, No.505. Just pressing the button to turn the screen on provides you with the relative information, ie, whether you have a signal or not. Why were they still in the jungle at 4:39 PM when they made their first distress call? Oy vey I didnt catch this before, but seeing it now it sort of made my eyes water a bit. But even when a phone is locked after thee attempts the screen says emergency calls only. There are . He has collected much that is out there but still the majority is second hand and we have no information as to the voracity. I really feel that this place is the key to what happened to the girls. Unfortunately, this camera setting is not public knowledge, but the default mode is Continuous.. Thanks for your comment. The indigenous locals that were committing the sacrifices were influenced by a villager that had recently travelled abroad and returned to his village with extremist Christian views. Two Dutch tourists Kris Lemers, 21, and Lisanne Froon, 22 disappeared while out on a hike in Panama in April 2004. Where did he leave them? The rock isnt about the twig its got chunks of flesh and blood splatter all over it to the right and back of rock. Her hair is also too clean and shiny for someone who has been out in the jungle for 8 days. However having just seen a darkened and reddened photo (the one of the back of Kriss strawberry blonde hair) you can see, in the top left, a door frame at the bottom of which is a dark floor. Search parties are looking for her. Note the shadow across her face , covering her eyes: that is from her hand. The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System reported that more than 600,000 people go missing in the US every year, but the majority are quickly . In the picture of her in the Cave? I hope justice is found for these girls, so very sad & just horrifying. They place the evidence where it can be found, brining the matter to a close. Definitely foul play, in my opinion. I think shes frightened, Not only does it look like her hands are tied behind her back,but if you zoom in on just her,her expression does not look happy at all,and she is looking off to somewhere beside the camera,she isnt even looking at the camera,and there appears to be blood in her hair on both sides of her head and her hair is clearly a mess.maybe this photo was taken after their captured, possibly by whoever captured them. I think this photo in particular is odd. Hi Chris, i heard of this case a few months ago and i read many articles about it. Occums razor. After a second look, I found that the Yahoo article specifically states that it was 17 foreigners belonging to another sect, but Yahoo was somewhat unclear Foreign can have a lot of meanings in this context. EERIE photos discovered on a camera belonging to two missing hikers revealed their mysterious final moments before both girls vanished in the jungle in Panama. Why not just kill them and leave it be? Hi Carin, thanks for your comment. 3. I just would like to know if you see that as well? Yes indeed!I hadnt noticed that before!is it a carved rock of sorts?. Even the cheap pair of sunglasses are in perfect condition. The blue item could be anything, but shows someone has been there before. He wants the gringos to go away and leave him in peace. Also, I live in El Salvador, less than 1,000 kilometers from Panama, which has many cultural similarities. He has a reasonable explanation for why she is having to bend down, and he found video where you can see a turn to the left where kris is. His family told Fox News that he had been traveling by himself and he was in good health. I lean towards the third-party theory although I recognize the conflicting aspects of that theory. On March 14, 2014, students LisanneFroon and Kris Kremers traveled from the Netherlands to Panama, where they intended toassistlocal communities, volunteerwith children, learnSpanish, and relax a bit. However, on closer inspection you can see that the left hand side of the post is really a vine or root hanging straight down and the white at the top is a patch of light in the background, as if there was a small narrow window in the bank Through which the sun is shining and it also looks as though someone is looking through it at Kris. Thats the very first thing that crossed my mind. There is something white on the object, which looks like a white piece of cloth. https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=kris+and+lisanne++finanli. Theres no evidence that animals scavenged the Holandesas., Panamanian IMELCF Forensic Anthropologist, This is from the Daily Beast interview with Jeremy Kryt titled: The Lost Girls, the Bones, and the Man in the Panama Morgue. One thing which confused me were the bras the smaller one looks more like a bikini top. I feel that unless they do or unless further forensic work has shown something more then, no matter what the experts in survival say, it is still only speculation and not proof. Auto Reset and Continuous. This is relevant because if the camera was on Auto Reset and 509 was deleted before 510 was taken, then the camera would use image 509 again. Perhaps the owner had an underlying influence/incentive to express conviction in his or her statement about the dog. Also, the parents did not release all the images. . Right above it. This is why the ping data can help because it can show if they were in one place or moving. But because of their theatrics and ignoring the evidence, the story and curiosity will continue to keep this case alive. Hello Chris, did you ever get any background on the statements made by Joseph? I posted a link at Koude Kas of example of Monkeys playing with phones because they were entranced by the flash. However, if Kremers and Froon had found manmade ramshackle structures during their hike, such as the possible items viewed in this photo, its possible they had unwanted company. I want to come!! Hi Mohaiminul, you mention some good questions. Theres a circular object hanging to the left of Kris. The two friends were traveling home after spending New Year's Eve weekend at a bed and breakfast on the Panamanian island Isla Contadora on Jan. 3 when their small plane, piloted by the B&B owner, suffered an engine failure and crashed off the coast of Chame, according to friends and family. After this, the photos were from April 8, 2014and likely snappedbetween 1 amand 4 am. For the next three days she keeps moving, weakened by exposure to the elements and at the edge of starvation. OmgIm staring at this pic. One or more abductor did know the phone PIN but not all people involved knew. As you mention, she is blocking the sun with her hand and keeping her head down. What do you think?? Who did the manipulation of course is a mystery but it points to being a corroboration of the police narrative that they got lost. I do not see any eyes, but I can definitely see a nose and a mouth. Does anyone know what the orange string is on the left of the photo? When the Canon Powershot was recovered by Dutch authorites, there was a conspicuous missing file: IMG_0509. They make no sense in spite of the speculation. Photo link: A disturbing set of photographs are at the center of a mystery of the disappearance and death of two young women in Panama and local authorities are currently bewildered by a conspicuously missing photo file on their SD card. Youre welcome to do that other places online. One thing is for sure, I will never travel to Panama. A witness who wont be staying in Panama for long. Excellent editing work, thanks to Justin. Maybe you can find more answers about this horrible story. (this was enhanced by an AI as someone who has studied this sort of thing professionally, explains some of the distortions and weird patterns in the photos leaves and vines, the AI distorted her face lol and it made it appear she has no arm from the elbow down). Debra Ann Velleman, of Waukesha, Wis., and Sue Borries, of Teutopolis, Ill., are missing after their plane crashed off the coast of Panama on Jan. 3, 2022. Theres no denying that the face looks skewed and mask like. Perhaps it was created by locals in the region. My first thought and instincts on the object you believe to be circular on the left is a cow skull and the fact its there is very strange indeed. I know if I was hiking and wandering in the jungle (and presumably possibly lost although not quite realizing this at this point), I would be curious about a manmade structure like this. They had plans to meet men there as their boyfriends.Check men they used to Date or seen. Is there a particular name, symbol or color associated with the gang? Minha Querida menina. To touch on the disappearance case of Kris Kremers and Lisanne Froon, we can vividly see the incompetence that took place, even under the spotlight of international pressure. Thats perplexing to me. The girls went for a swim in a rock pool. From my understanding, there was no warning signs on the trail. Perhaps that is where this photo was taken and a search should be done there. Kris had her doubts but was jollied along by the more trusting girl. Government corruption perpetuates the proliferation of gang activity. To the left hangs a cow skull smeared with blood, perhaps worn during the sacrifices. Each year, around 30,000 people are reported missing in Australiaone person every 18 minutes. Ive travelled through Central and South America quite a bit and these experiences cant be found elsewhere. While the case has since been declared closed by both the Panamanian and Dutch authorities (who worked on . Why no more fotos were taken after 508 on the 1st until the nighttime session on the 7/8th? Then uses the flash to take many photos of the area, so she can return for Kris after finding help. Also important is who they met because two tall and very attractive new arrivals would certainly get all the boys tongues wagging. A piece of evidence that is irrefutable. The real question is wether or not there is a cave or dwelling behind her. Therefore we cannot conclude that a dog was even with them. This is the reason that police, journalists and military personnel often disappear and governments struggle to combat crime, not to mention corruption within law enforcement itself. We simply dont have enough information at this time. This is speculation. For pareidiologists, in the Cave photo on the right just over halfway from Kris head to the edge of the photo there is an arm and hand tied to a tree, and to the right of Kris leg is the sole of a walking boot with a light stripe down the middle. How many tourists go to Australia? The remains of both women were found soon after that. In truth, the fact that theres no evidence that the dog was with them leads a person to believe that perhaps someone could have fabricated the fact that the dog was with them. Two journalists take the same hike the girls took. But so much of this search/investigation was poorly executed. It could help shed more light onto the possible answer to the mystery. Another thing that crossed my mind is what if the backpack & items had been kept as like a trophy of the killings, & a local knew thats what it was aware of the incident & grabbed it & left it somewhere to be found to try & help shed light on the case the best way they could. Totally agree, Alexis. Perhaps incriminating photos existed on the camera before and new photos were taken to overwrite the cameras memory files, therefore preventing the old photos from being extracted from the cameras digital memory. After taking a deep dive into all the evidence and flying out to Panama to do their own investigation, the pair concluded that the girls' deaths were an accident. In the days following the students' disappearances, authorities conducted footand aerial searches. I think Juantarctica made a compelling case on YouTube for this theory. This case really creeps me out, specially the findings and the pictures. This whole incident is the stuff of horror movies and very chilling, even if it was an accident. https://www.laestrella.com.pa/nacional/141020/of-piece-medical-studies-examiner. This is significant because image 508 was the last photograph of them where they werent in any trouble. Do they know more than we do? Im sorry but the question deserves a dumb answer. I no longer believe there was any mirror; What we see is instead is the lid of a soft food container (you can see the food stuck around the edges). ITS SHAPED LIKE A BRA. For Composer Drew Silva, Music is all About Embracing Life. The problem with the links you are providing is not that the links themselves are necessarily unsafe (they could be, but we wont test them)the problem is that ALL of your links require users to download some form of content. I agree. Hey Im not sure if someone already pointed it out but does everyone see the orange drawing on the bottom right? If anything, that is an evidence that they were taking more risks than a regular tourist/hiker, so being lost and/or injured seems to me much more reasonable explanation (than murdered) based on that. It must have been flowing in the river the police said. The mans face is clearly visible standing behind the rock with the red bags. Its too cold to sleep at night, so they try to keep moving, until, in the darkness Kris falls down a ravine, hitting her head, and going into a coma. The alarm was initially raised about the disappearance of the girls after they missed a private walking tour of Boquete on April 2. Kris and Lisanne's families decided to fly out to Panama and bring Dutch detectives with them. Yup, I toot checked and her video came only after this post. Im not sure if people can really talk with animals but i sure would try and see by calling on a few and get their opinion. Celebrity. Here are some ideas Ive speculated about. Also, it wouldnt make sense if Lisanne didnt know Kris password. More than 100 pictureswere on the camera; the first few looked like normal tourist photos with the womensmiling together. And there have been some other unsolved murders in the same area where the girls were. Wow. "I saw a child get dragged down the river when he let go of his parents' hands. Ive already researched a lot about the local conditions: https://imperfectplan.com/2020/07/02/kris-kremers-lisanne-froon-panama-bleached-bones/. On closer inspection this and the cave photo appear heavily manipulated. Many of the leads were simply not followed fingerprints, interviewing key suspects, identifying the precise location where evidence was discovered, etc. Or if someone deleted them? I look forward to learning more and you do valuable humane work helping other young adventurers. I havent spotted the finger with the silver ring in photo IMG_0580 thats the name of the hair photo, and in the night photos you found out that there are not one but two individuals that are of native origin nonetheless, which specific photos led you to that conclusion? Even if there is only one it can provide information of they were not which is important to reduce the places they could be because much of the conspiracy theories I see seem to suggest they were not on the trail. Stories which hes found in archives going back as early as 1500s until modern day all Facts and all true. Have you managed to obtain a copy? Sue Borries and Debra Ann Velleman are pictured in undated composite image. Please support us we cant do it without you. This was either something catastrophic or a developing situation due for example to them getting lost. When browsing the images that were on Lisanne Froons phone, I also noticed that a lot of other websites cropped off the top of this particular photo of Kris Kremers. Where are those Pings? What is peculiar is that there were no attempts to contact anyone other than the emergency services. The night time photos are not relevant but the result of someone playing with the camera. One of them probably fell got hurt, a local found them said they would help and well they didnt help they killed them and dumped in River knowing the river would remove any evidence. Who said they didnt? Two Dutch women who went missing in April in Panama are now confirmed dead, according to police and the women's families. They were only 2 weeks into their trip and only on their 4th day in Boquete so they were innocents abroad and would have been broadcasting that to all who cared to look. Theyd probably just bury the camera in a deep hole or toss it in the river or ocean. Ella divide en dos la historia: las fotos anteriores a la 506 son de alegra, la foto 506 es de pnico y la 507 y 508 de preocupacin. I also live in a third-world country about which it was said that investigations were shut down, or botched, to protect the tourist industry. I can assure you that is nonsense. If you think America is safe you are ignorant! The link to the main page where I give complete details of the story: The True Story of Kris Kremers and Lisanne Froon 2 Girls That Disappeared in Panama. Bizarre! The blood on her leg is, again, a shadow. But the blue was also something I noticed. Make sure you contact someone with this info. January 4, 2023. The stats leave 42 cases currently open since 2007. Also the path looks to be a dried up river vs a man made path. Maybe its just pareidolia, but i think its a manmade object. This observation of yours is amazing, the girls could have stumbled upon something and been victims. There was enough evidence in this investigation to solve the case and possibly find Kris and Lisanne while they were alive. Therefore, if Kris Kremers is normal and happy, as she appears to be in this photo (and in the other photos in the series), it means that things took a bad turn for them relatively soon after the photo above was taken. When the girls were vacationing in South Panama it shows a photo of them in the ocean, and behind them in the ocean is a fat white man seemingly staring at them. For the first handful, a correct password was entered. Were the photos altered in any way or is this a presumption? There just seems to be something wrong about this photo, and I dont like her expression. In Latin America, it is as common as drinking coffee. For the next four days they travel. There were no signs at that time. Theres a lot of loose ends to be tied up, but I think this 2021 investigation can do it. But most people going on a hike with a dog would take some pictures of themselves with the dog, right?
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