I suppose that since I am never really planned to be an Intern next semester (not in a full time sense, save as a researcher), and since my term is essentially over, I can join the conversation as Joe Public. Screw you. Fox News has enhanced the careers of numerous women who have served as hosts. Jane Fonda came clean in an interview with Chris Wallace about her Hanoi Jane days and her failure as a mother. Number two: You've got the POW meeting, where she sits down and holds a press conference for propaganda purposes with these prisoners of war. Switch to the light mode that's kinder on your eyes at day time. I mean, that's like the bank robber saying, "I'm sorry I got caught.". Many of our veterans still call her Hanoi Jane thanks to her radio broadcasts: True, but she doesnt just have the nickname because of the radio broadcasts. JANE FONDA: it was a mistake to go, I never wanted to go to any military installations. There's nothing like a historian 'cherry-picking' his citations or only presenting a partial 'truth' from his source. They have never acknowledged their role in the killing fields of Cambodia and fail to discuss the fact that Vietnam, one of about four communist countries left on the face of this earth, is currently at the bottom rung of third world nations in terms of per capita income. Whether youre a lifelong resident of D.C. or you just moved here, weve got you covered. NORTH: Well, all I did was present the facts. And the question I have is 50 years later, how do you look back on that particular chapter? In her 2005 memoir, My Life So Far, Fonda wrote of the infamous photo this way: Still,for some veterans, no apology from Fonda will ever change their views of her as an adversaryof America and the troops during wartime. Mutual Fund and ETF data provided by Refinitiv Lipper. I mean, he realized that . She is the daughter of legendary actor and WWII Naval Officer Henry Fonda. Ive never really wanted to settle.. One showed her applauding North Vietnamese anti-aircraft gunners. Joining us now is the host of "War Stories," who fought in Vietnam, Colonel Oliver North is with us. The actual allegation took the form of an email citing the alleged experiences of a number of Viet Nam War veterans at the hands of Jane Fonda. re: Jane Fonda visiting BR this weekend Posted on 3/3/23 at 9:43 am to Chipand2Putts. Please, you cant let them be published. [5]http://www.snopes.com/military/fonda.asp; http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/weekly/aa110399b.htm; http://www.truthminers.com/truth/hanoi_jane.htm; cited on November 24, 2004. He collects a group of American POWs from their septic dungeons, cleans them up, and has them mustered on parade to show his guest how well his embattled nation treats its prisoners. Forget? Now, aid and comfort can be measured a lot of ways. Talking Points, WATCH: Greg Gutfeld and Bill Maher Riff About Incest Porn Because They Are Hilarious Comedians And Hell Exists, Cocaine Bear, Hold My Beer: Production Company Behind Sharknado Releasing Meth Gator Movie This Summer. After Fonda returned from hertrip, the State Department spoke out against her. [5] One man who was supposed to have encountered Jane Fonda, one Colonel Larry Carrigan, has denied any claim that he ever met her. She went to tour the countrys dike system, which was rumored to have been intentionally bombed by American forces something the U.S. government to this day forcefully denies. Trusted Writing on History, Travel, and American Culture Since 1949. But Jane Fonda: Cancel my subscription! NORTH: And mine too, brother, even after 37 years. "KOREA: Shortly thereafter Truman, with Congress averting its eyes, committed U.S. troops to Korea. But look, you have more to talk to us about something you're going to show us. And I didnt even think and they sang me a song and Im made me laugh. One of the times it did, Im happy to say, was with Keith Nolan, the author of several books on the war, most recently Ripcord , a superb account of the 101st Airborne in the conflicts last great battle. She said:I have very few regrets. It wasnt firing at the time, and Fonda said in 2011 she hardly even thought about where I was sitting and that it is possible that it was a set up, that the Vietnamese As Pioneer Rap Trio Suffers Tragic Loss, Long-Awaited Back Catalog is Finally Released, Bret Baiers Interview With FBI Director Shows What A Joke It Is to Pose Him As Foxs Real Journalism Successor to Chris Wallace, Jimmy Kimmel Calls Tucker Carlson Putins Favorite Little Nesting Doll After He Accused Kimmel of Using Foreign Gov. Her rebellion against the foreign policies of the United States suggested to many outraged Americans that treason might have an All-American face, a familiar accent, and be closer to home than the Other that had previously been assumed to embody the enemy. WebDaughter of legendary Henry Fonda, actress, and activist was one of the most outspoken people against the Vietnam War at the age of 34. Email us. But Jane Fonda: Cancel my subscription!, In replying, I discovered that the Good Book notwithstanding, a soft answer turneth away wrath no more than zo percent of the time. Have a tip or story idea? or redistributed. I have had my say. If you continue to use this site we will assume that you are happy with it. From Urban Legends: Nevertheless, there are Vietnam veterans out there who served in the war zone before 1969 who are convinced that Jane Fonda was in cahoots with the Commies during their own tours. Fonda moves down the line, greeting each man with encouragements like Arent you ashamed you killed babies? as she shakes his hand. She now hosts "New Day" on CNN. "Because of this," the narrative continues, "I spent three days on a rocky floor on my knees with outstretched arms with a piece of steel placed on my hands, and beaten with a bamboo cane every time my arms dipped." re: Jane Fonda visiting BR this weekend Posted on 3/3/23 at 9:43 am to Chipand2Putts. target_type: 'mix' WebNevertheless, there are Vietnam veterans out there who served in the war zone before 1969 who are convinced that Jane Fonda was in cahoots with the Commies during their own His alliance with the Reds made sense, since both upheld elite control of the world. She said It is possible it was a setup, I will never know. She was a symbol of a divided nation. This article was published more than4 years ago. She went to Hanoi that year to tour villages, cities and infrastructure. A series of photos of her sitting at an NVA anti-aircraft battery earned her the nickname Hanoi Jane and the undying spite of Vietnam veterans everywhere. There were also rumors she turned over secret messages from POWs to their captors. COLMES: She did say that she was sorry. Even so, the main focus of my essay was whether Jane Fonda participated in war crimes, not whether she was morally culpable for her part as an apologist for the mistreatment of POW's (she was). It is nothing more and nothing less than the full culmination of Greco-Roman Humanism as it has defined itself throughout the thousands of years. Jane Fonda came clean in an interview with Chris Wallace about her Hanoi Jane days and her failure as a mother. If I was used, I allowed it to happen. Nevertheless, there are Vietnam veterans out there who served in the war zone before 1969 who are convinced that Jane Fonda was in cahoots with the Commies during their own tours. Its more than being a traitor; millions of Americans felt treasonous during that war. "Flashpoint Vietnam," the real story about the road to the war. Why? Id been getting pretty sour about the incensed patriots who would curse me and my family and confidently speak on behalf of all veterans living and dead, and the Great Jehovah and the Continental Congress, to declare I was a disgrace to America for running that storythen conclude by smugly assuring me they would never read it. On the basis of those meetings alone, she proclaimed that American POW's weren't being mistreated, and that any who said they were mistreated werte either liars, or were simply experiencing punishment for their racist treatment and attitude towards their Vietnamese captors. Good question here Richard: "My question is, when will people like Fonda and Kerry (unlike Joan Baez) take responsibility for what they have wrought -- the totalitarian system that gave us re-education camps and the boat people?" A photograph caught her looking through the scope of an anti-aircraft gun, surrounded by revolutionaries. I think that this is rather odd. She said: I have very few regrets. And that we probably couldnt win it not because they werent a fabulous soldiers. Ms. Fonda's actions, however, directly affected helpless individual captives and their families. Fonda has refused to tell her side of the story to historians investigating her role, purportedly because she was saving her story for her own memoirs, which are expected to be published soon. Kellysaid she was among those at Fox News sexually harassed by Ailes. NORTH (on camera): What did the guys in your squad say about this? But it wasnt untilshe traveled to Hanoi in July 1972 that she really enraged criticsand fundamentally altered how the world viewed her for decades to come. Heres what she said in 2011: In my anger at the torture story that was being allowed to spread, at how the entire situation was being manipulated, I made a mistake I deeply regret. She still does not know what she did wrong. During her two-week stay, Fonda concluded that America was unjustly bombing farmland and areas far flung from military targets. Its folklore, but folklore of a curiously evolved sort. I'm not going to tell you anything of the sort. Outside of herself, she was manipulated by the experts in the Communist government who are masters in the art of propaganda. Otherwise, she wouldn't touch a weapon if she was genuinely anti-war. The reason Jane Fonda went to Vietnam was not wrong as Mr. Sollinger put it but the way she behaved while in Vietnam was unappropriate. It was my mistake and I have paid and continue to pay a heavy price for it.. And you know, maybe I was set up but I was an adult, its Im gonna take responsibility for it. In July of 1972, she made two trips to Hanoi which earned her the nickname Hanoi Jane. In her book, she says she's a Christian. Fonda may have regrets about those photos in particular, but shes never regretted her political activism. The U.S. government secretly abets communism around the globe, then sends in the American military to "contain the communist menace". For example, she went on Radio Hanoi a number of times, while our troops, your friends, were being shot at by an enemy in Vietnam, saying our POWs were in good health. They hadnt been able to vote on the virtues of the conflict, and they found themselves in mortal peril in the midst of an ugly, painful ordeal that a lot of vocal people back home thought was a criminal enterprise. I will never know. I get up, and as I start to walk back to the car with the translator, the implication of what has just happened hits me. Legal Statement. 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And its about a woman who had a capacity for reinvention that, like Jay Gatsbys, was the more effective for her whole-souled belief in what she devised. [3] And she referred to the POW's as hypocrites and liars.[4]. Im not you know, they all went to jail. And I didnt even think and they sang me a song and Im made me laugh. Here it is. "VIET NAM: A repeat scenario was played 10 years later under another banker-picked Democratic administration. Donald It sounds loony until you actually think about it - and the general thesis of "no-win wars" (i.e. SEAN HANNITY, CO-HOST: Jane Fonda says she is sorry for some of her actions during the Vietnam War. Hanoi Jane told 60 Minutes that photos snapped while she sat on an enemy aircraft gun was a betrayal and the largest lapse of judgment I can imagine. Though she did say, meeting the locals, other artists, and intellectuals were well worth it. Joe? I make it a habit not to intervene as an intern. Troop B, 2nd squadron, 17th Cavalry, RVN, 1969-70 Kelly responded with a cannon by bringing up the time Fonda posed on a North Vietnamese anti-aircraft gun. How did we get into this war? Ramsey Clark went to Hanoi during the war. In 2015, about 50 veterans stood outside theWeinberg Center for the Arts in Frederick, Md., to protest Fondas appearance there. Was Jane Fonda's sitting on a North Vietnamese anti-aircraft gun that was used to shoot at and kill Americans, and launching an anti-American PR campaign with the North Vietnamese giving aid and comfort? . Why? I never asked pilots to desert. He hadnt liked the story but at least was willing to discuss it. The Bushes have a long-standing relationship with Red China, one that has hardmed our national security, yet few attack them as vociferously as Fonda was attacked. Hows this for a story? Did we lie about the body that we planted on Omaha Beach (search), trying to convince the Germans that we were going to land somewhere else? And by the way, did our government lie to us during Vietnam? In fact, when the Tet Offensive broke, Jane Fonda was the featured pinup girl in that months issue of Leatherneck , the official publication of the Marines. Shewas arrested before she got the chance, just as she had been at Fort Lewis, Wash., Fort Hood, Tex., and Fort Bragg, N.C. Fonda told The Post shed made talking to GIs herfull-time job. This thread gives me a great chance to ask veterans a question that has always bothered me. Due to the pressure of so-called "rationalists", Article VI, Paragraph 3 of the Constitution forbids Congress from excluding Communists, Anti-Semites, or Globalists from its membership, allowing the control that you decry. And, as she does, each POW palms her a scrap of paper with his Social Security number written on it. HANNITY: Is Jane Fonda really sorry or just trying to sell her brand new book? He collects a group of American POWs from their septic dungeons, cleans them up, and has them mustered on parade to show his guest how well his embattled nation treats its prisoners. Tom Cotton Gets Revenge On Liberal Media: Acting like lawyers for Chinese communists, Joy Behar Shocks World, Defends Marjorie Taylor Greene On The View, Kellyanne Conway and George Conway To Divorce After 22 Years of Marriage: Report, He started crying like a baby that lost his pacifier: Florida Sheriff On Tough Guy Rapper Arrested For Murder, White House Doctor Drops Friday Bombshell: Joe Biden Has Cancerous Tissue Removed, Ted Cruz Calls For Anthony Fauci To Be Prosecuted And Jailed For Lying To Congress, Robert F. Kennedy Jr Puts Biden On Notice, Says Hes Thinking About Running Against Joe In Dem Primary. JANE FONDA: I know what Im doing. NORTH: Irrefutable for the three things she did, and I defined for you the rule, the actual constitutional language defining treason. There's no denying that she defamed POWs by whitewashing the Viet Cong's treatment of them and later calling them liars when they spoke out." And I refused to have them scare me away from being actively against the Vietnam War. 2023 FOX News Network, LLC. It's not just handing out, you know, blankets. MacArthur publicly insisted upon victory, infuriating the international banks. But when you know why you did something, and youre willing to admit the mistakes that you made, but stand up for the things that you did that that mattered? Do any right-wingers ever decry the fact that Bush and the conservatives overthrew Aristide because he was a socialists----then invited the Chinese Communists in to our hemisphere? There is certainly no doubt that the country was basically split down the middle on the idea of our military presence in SE Asia, and as Americans we were all free to protest the war to our hearts' content. CHRIS WALLACE: Your most famous protest was 50 years ago when you went to North Vietnam at the height of the war there. NORTH (voice-over): Thirty-five hundred Marines came ashore. A new HBO documentary on Fondas life, Jane Fonda in Five Acts, explores the fallout for the actress, who is now 80. I dont know what else to do. There was a real Colonel Carrigan, and he was a POW in Vietnam. I remember one retired lieutenant colonel describing a conversation he had with an angry trooper about the treasonous behavior of Jane Fonda in the midst of the 1968 Tet Offensive. At the time, Hanoi Jane was serenaded with a Communist folk song and was led to a weapon that had shot down many American aircraft, and photos were immediately taken. Kelly attacked Fondas Vietnam War history to defend questions about plastic surgery. Libertarian commentator Jedediah Bila appeared on Fox's "Outnumbered" and later turned up on ABC's "The View.". Sending Out Veterans' Benefits, The Executive Branchs Response to the Flood of 1927, The Case For Calling the Language "American", America Fought Its Own Battle Over Books Before it Fought the Nazis. One of the definitions of treason is giving aid and comfort to the enemy. I was not the kind of mother that I wished I had been to my children. If even one of them were true, it would change the entire focus of my article. There was a real Colonel Carrigan, and he was a POW in Vietnam. They realized that the war was wrong, that we werent wanted there. As anyone who knew or worked with me in those years knows my heart has always been with the soldiers. This is not a legal transcript for purposes of litigation. For a great many people, its not enough that Jane Fonda went to North Vietnam, offered encouragement to an army that was daily killing her countrymen, climbed up on that anti-aircraft gun, insisted that all American prisoners were well treated, and so on. . The POWs are beaten. Thus, Europe, Russia, China, Korea, Viet Nam, Cambodia, Thailand, Japan, the Middle East were turned into killing grounds, and their existing governments destroyed. Nobody remembers, nobody cares. The war was being fought by the air during during the Nixon administration. Ramsey Clark went to Hanoi during the war. North Vietnamese press reported and Fonda later confirmed that she made several radio announcements over the Voice of Vietnam radio to implore U.S. pilots to stop the bombings. Im not you know, they all went to jail. The Army builds a tolerance for violence, she shouted at the crowd. MacArthur complained that his conduct of the war was compromised by spies within the U.S. government: "The enemy receives my (Pentagon) directives before I do".